GoW Hollywood Style

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Halflife84 — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:44:08 GMT

This games is going to rock...The hype is warranted...(Played it last week @ X06 in Toronto)

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Xyjar — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:44:08 GMT

Still not completely sold on the hype of this game. We'll see.

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GA GAMMA 1308 — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 01:14:26 GMT

Disgusted said: This is absurd - you're making excuses for a company that restored this cemetery with other motives in mind.

You must understand that both good and great things have come about time and time again through out history because people acted on less than noble motives.

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GA GAMMA 1308 — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 01:00:20 GMT

Disgusted said: Given the context, location, and predominant beliefs of North American culture this event was offensive. Maybe I'm missing what you mean by location and context, but we aren't talking about the beliefs of all North American culture. We're talking about the beliefs of the families of those who are buried at this location in Hollywood. I don't think you understand that people are being buried there again on a regular basis. Those who are being buried on these premises now have to know what to expect. There is obviously a good size group of people that do find this acceptable. I understand if you aren't comfortable with this situation, but I do think that you overreacted. Are you really an MS shareholder? How many shares do you have? I work for a large corporation(no not MS or the people who own this cemetery). I've heard plenty of "shareholders" threaten to see heads roll because they disagree with something that the company does. That seems rather "pretentious" to me. I don't know you. I realize this, but you act as though I'm the only one acting "pretentious". "Exploiting the resting place of those passed on for shameless self promotion is absolutely disgusting in the worst way I can imagine." That may be your opinion, but you think someone should lose their job because you are upset. Stones, Glass Houses. If you look at the comments above about the event, you will find very few that actually express outrage or even seem to be slightly off put by this event. From your quote that I used to begin this comment, you seem to be trying to say that most people agree with you and that is why this is wrong. Because of the culture. I don't think that is the culture of this area. If you look at all of North America, you aren't respecting the culture of those who are actually affected by this event or others held at this particular cemetery. You asked me if I had been to several places. Have you ever been to Hollywood? I'm guessing no. One more thing I would like to add is that you named various locations that are in disrepair and act as if that is better than having them restored if it means that they would have any sort of commercial purpose. You need to realize that the WTC grounds will not remain in disrepair and when the monuments are complete on this location, there will be all sorts of commercial events there. Worse than that, there will be huge political fundraisers. That is what I will find offensive. But I can't tell them not to do this, and I won't ask for anyone's job when it does happen.

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Disgusted — Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:21:43 GMT

@Gamma -- last one. In response to your point re: I do wish you would try to gain some perspective and maybe realize that it is only because of these so called "scum" that many of these graves will be viewable at all in the future. This is absurd - you're making excuses for a company that restored this cemetery with other motives in mind. There are many cemeteries in the world that run perfectly fine in various states of disrepair -- none of which need to be restored and rented out to corporations for events. I'll try to illustrate what I'm getting at with a question: Do you think it would be right for someone to restore Highgate Cemetery in London for LAN parties in the overgrown portions of the Egyptian Avenue? Do you think it would be right to turn the WTC grounds in to a place where people have parties and watch films? How about Metairie in New Orleans - the above ground caskets would make ideal cover for corporate paintball matches dont you think? I'm fine with creating monuments in places where the memory of the dead are fading -- or the grounds are overgrown beyond belief. I'm all for just letting the grounds stay as they are over time -- it's worked fine in many locations around the world and actually lends to the sense of memorium. You should visit some of those locations if you haven't, and tell me if you think they'd be better off restored -- with events being held in the cemeteries. .

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Disgusted — Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:07:49 GMT

@Gamma .. again. I like to think I have a great deal of perspective regarding the situation -- I'm a philosophy graduate who's handled numerous course regarding death and dying. I'm comfortable with my mortality. You have a lot of nerve asking someone you don't know to look inward -- not that I'm offended, but I think many people would be. It's rather pretentious for you to assume the problem lay on my end and not yours, or that there is a problem at all with the way I reacted. This has more to do with principles and mores that leave no option other than utmost respect from your average human being - including myself. Given the context, location, and predominant beliefs of North American culture this event was offensive. Just because you, or others, are open minded to it does not make it acceptable, or something that we should not acknowledge or debate (not that you're refusing debate). Any anger in my posts stemmed from the seeming ignorance of others that were posting combined with the motives of the company that restored the grounds & MS decision to sponsor said event. If I were given the option to let a corporation take over a cemetery to restore it with turning the place in to a 'theme park' in mind I think I would have to vote against. I personally feel that when someone passes on we should celebrate the life, not mourn the passing (although it pains me to say it being British, the Irish do it best :) ). That said, I am confident that my beliefs are those of a select few - and I would never impose them on anyone. I could probably write a paper on this -- as I feel I still have much to explain, but this isn't the place.

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Escobar4LifeX — Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:18:41 GMT

It was a great event. I thought gamers would get some stuff (faceplate or something). But I was happy playing Gears of War. I played multiplayer for about an hour and a half without any interruptions. I want GoW even more!!!

And I didn't see any celebs. A couple of gamers I met at the event said Cliffy B was behind them for a couple of minutes. But I didn't see him.

I did see another GoW developer, Rod Ferguson. He was there for a while. When I arrived there he saw me with my GoW shirt and said "Nice shirt!". He also fixed the kiosk inside that was having problems. But yeah, I think Rod Ferguson was pretty cool because he was there with all the gamers. Btw, I wanted to take a picture with him and with any GoW developers who were there at the event. Unfortunately the security at the event didn't let anyone take pictures. :(

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GA GAMMA 1308 — Sat, 28 Oct 2006 23:21:03 GMT

@Disgusted: My point is that the place was just decaying before this company restored the place. Try having a bit of foresight about the situation. They had been forced to stop selling plots. If this group had not come in and restored the place, what do you think would have happened in the next 20 or 30 years? Someone would have been trying to build over it or move the bodies somewhere else and then build on this property.

Land is something that will continue to become more and more limited. When funding to support the upkeep of a cemetery runs out, they eventually are forgotten and the land is used for something else. Because this land is used for other purposes and has been restored, people will continue to visit the site. Others will be buried there and more funding will be available to preserve the memory of those who were buried there. Some of the people were buried there over 100 years ago. In the grand scheme of things, that is not a long time. However, I would argue that many would be completely forgotten and graves completely destroyed if it weren't for this restoration.

Disgusted said: "Anyone who thinks otherwise has lost touch with what it really important in life."

In response to the previous quote I would just say a couple more things to you. Obviously different people have a wide range of opinions about what is disrespectful and what is not. I think if you look at the big picture, those who rest at this cemetery will be remembered for many decades to come because of this restoration. Their graves will be viewable well beyond those of others buried during the same period. Lastly, I think you should look inward and try to understand why this is upsetting you so much. If you have lost someone recently, I'm sorry for your loss.(I mean that with all sincerity.) I do wish you would try to gain some perspective and maybe realize that it is only because of these so called "scum" that many of these graves will be viewable at all in the future.

Opinions are truly the spice of life. I wish you well.

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Calamachino — Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:58:29 GMT

Major, do you know if they're going to put up a video of this event on xbox.com? My friend was interviewed on camera at the event by people who said they were "from xbox" and I wanna see that video! :)

Thanks!

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Disgusted — Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:56:30 GMT

@ Gamma again... FYI the cemetery WAS NOT marketed like it is now after the scum took it over renovated and exploited it. They DID NOT hold events, it was not billed as some theme park cemetery that they beamed movies off the mausoleum walls... do some research before you blindly rant something you read on a homepage. Hollywood, et LA are pathetic to begin with though, so what's to be expected. It's a culture of shame, so I supposed this is apt.

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Disgusted — Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:50:06 GMT

@G A GAMMA 1308 I feel no need to identify myself to you by registering and I am not a kid. I don't care what you think I should have done - I have beliefs and mores I live by, one is respecting the dead. Just because some company picked it up and restored the facilities doesn't mean that some nerd should be able to play GoW on a WS HD LCD 2 feet from someones deceased loved one. It's shameless, I don't care if they show movies there, I don't care if there are other events held there -- it's pathetic, disrespectful, tasteless, and shameless. Anyone who thinks otherwise has lost touch with what it really important in life.

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Inflatable — Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:36:51 GMT

Hey, it's Hollywood, it's ok to party on and between graves there.. ;)

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GA GAMMA 1308 — Sat, 28 Oct 2006 13:17:44 GMT

To add to what I said above, check the website for this cemetery. If you don't want people visiting and having fun at your grave site, then don't choose a cemetery that acts as a tourist attraction. There website refers to the cemetery as "Resting Place of Hollywood's Immortals."

http://www.hollywoodforever.com/default.htm

Read the information on Wikipedia. It sounds like this place was in complete disrepair before the new management company took over and renovated. It was basically condemned. They show movies there during the summer and I'm sure it is due to these sorts of events that the management company is able make a profit and justify spending money to make this cemetery a nice place to rest in peace.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Forever

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GA GAMMA 1308 — Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:43:07 GMT

To "disgusted": You should consider many things before making that sort of comment. First, you should consider actually identifying yourself by registering. Second, you might want to check with the families of the people whose bodies are at this location. They probably benefit in some way from these sorts of events and I bet the dead people don't care either. I guess that sounds a bit insensitive but I think you are blowing this way out of proportion. They didn't dig people up and use their corpses for decorations. Lighten up kid.

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disgusted — Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:02:27 GMT

Major - this even is absolutely pathetic, and I can't believe you thought it 'looks like a great event'. I've cancelled my Gears pre-order, and as an MS shareholder I have to say I think someone should be fired for this. Exploiting the resting place of those passed on for shameless self promotion is absolutely disgusting in the worst way I can imagine. I don't care if the venue has been used for other events in the past .. that does not make it right for MS. I'll be taking this as far as I can -- someone has to be held accountable for this.

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Mrak — Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:59:00 GMT

I think the cemetary thing was tasteless. Can you elaborate a little on where it was in the cemetary? Were the interred from like 200 years ago? Also, how is MS unable to communicate internally? This happens like twice a month, where one division jumps the gun on an announcement. It's called a listserv, use one.